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GFR Battle 2: Ep 5~The thing's hollow—it goes on forever—and—oh my God! —it's full of Stars!

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Jul. 7th, 2007 | 07:10 pm
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posted by: signofzeta in gamefaceradio

This time:

Super Robot Wars W quickie redux, Uplink, Tank Beat, puzzle games, what a fucker Ken is, the arcade lives! (...in Vegas) History`s Strongest Disciple Kenichi, Garouden, Asuka 120%, also, new anime...sucks? Anime series endings suck? Greatest Anime of the 21st Century? WTF?

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takaitakai

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from: takaitakai
date: Jul. 8th, 2007 10:55 am (UTC)
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I was real psyched to see Garouden on the list. I got to play a friend's copy of the first Garouden game and it's freaking awesome. The submission situations are great. We were battling gruesome karate guy vs. angry BJJ guy and the limb-barring counters went back and forth for like 10 minutes, with judo throws through tables and windows peppered throughout the battle. Matches can end in a flash, too. It's super hot. Weird to hear Kaze was in Vegas for UFC. I nearly went.

Devil Hunter Yoko...I watched so much of that shit.

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from: kazegfr
date: Jul. 9th, 2007 06:34 pm (UTC)
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That would have been sweet. Your review of the Garouden game makes me want to rig up the PS2 and burn it over.

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from: infernarl
date: Jul. 8th, 2007 08:25 pm (UTC)
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Does this mean we're back on a semi-regular schedule?

p.s. I have officially played yu gi oh DS 2007 for over 60 hours.

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from: signofzeta
date: Jul. 8th, 2007 08:59 pm (UTC)
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The next ep should be out sometime around Aug 5, if not sooner. Super special secret surprise stuff.

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from: infernarl
date: Jul. 9th, 2007 04:12 am (UTC)
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I feel you on the Uplink. Everything that ambrosia touches/publishes is really awesome. Have you played any of the escape velocity games?

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from: kazegfr
date: Jul. 9th, 2007 07:09 pm (UTC)
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No, I haven't.

However I might now.

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from: infernarl
date: Jul. 9th, 2007 10:30 pm (UTC)
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They are "oh my shit" good.

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from: signofzeta
date: Jul. 10th, 2007 10:58 pm (UTC)
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I actually downloaded the "Mac" demo of Uplink. Both the actual demo, and the full version that runs in demo mode until you unlock it. What's fuct though is that its just a bunch of .dat files for some reason. I guess you have to be of the semi-L337 to know WTF to do with these files.

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from: signofzeta
date: Jul. 10th, 2007 11:00 pm (UTC)
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I actually started another post with the phrase, "I actually...". I actually have to quit that shit.

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from: infernarl
date: Jul. 10th, 2007 11:04 pm (UTC)
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Target Audience man.

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from: kazegfr
date: Jul. 11th, 2007 04:38 pm (UTC)
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On the PC...it just works.

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from: signofzeta
date: Jul. 11th, 2007 11:17 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, I need an .exe, or a .app, or...something.

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Part 1: Sorry for the Length....

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 9th, 2007 07:33 am (UTC)
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Hey guys, I've been listening for a long time (ever since Insert Credit linked you); I just never left a comment, because I didn't really have anything to say. So now you can account for at least one more silent listener (needless to say, I like the show). Anyway, I particularly liked this episode, because it tackled something that I actually think about all the time: almost all new anime really does, qualitatively and objectively suck, and I blame "Evangelion" too, actually.

I'll say, up front, that I'm 18 and that I started my "fandom" when I was about five with a dub of "Ronin Warriors", so I'm not exactly some jaded '80's otaku any more than I'm some incipient Inuyasha fanboy. Obviously, my taste wasn't too polished at the outset--it was the nineties, and I can remember being, like, 8-or-9 and desperately wanting to see "Maze" and "Nuku Nuku" (or whatever Viz was throwing at my DBZ-fried brain on a particular tape) with inexpressible desire. So now that I've developed some taste and seen, like, ten minutes out of "Maze" I realize just how much of a "fanboy" I was as a nine-year-old. It seems like "Maze" is everything that was wrong with '90's anime. As far as I can tell, it's a ensemble of anime cliches thrust into a cobbled-together fantasy setting in order to maximize the amount of gender-bending-romance-action-comedy-crystal-collecting-blah-blah-blah. I mean...the ten minutes I saw were unforgivably awful. And yeah, Zeta, to a certain extent it seems like (offensively enough) shows with this created-by-committee, give-the-people-what-they-want attitude have partially won the economic evolutionary struggle.

But, just as bad, all the rest of the shows seem to take themselves way to seriously...given the lack of talent behind them ("Witch Hunter Robin" is a good example). This I blame on Eva. But, to be clear, I love Evangelion; it's my favorite anime of all time. I'm not going to insist that you have to like it, but I'll try to be quick about telling you why I do. Essentially, Eva is an anti-anime: the result of a creator who dedicated his life to absorbing otaku culture, vomiting it out in the only way he knew how. That's what Eva is: otaku catharsis. No, none of the characters are likable; that's intentional. The conceit of Evangelion is that its protagonist is an absurdist representation of the type of person who's likely to be watching Evangelion in the first place. Shinji's a classic anti-hero in the vein of the Existentialist literature, like Meursault of "The Stranger". And all that stuff they're spouting in the finale episodes? Cribbed Sartrean philosophy. Evangelion intentionally does everything right: Anno (series creator/director) use his otaku expertise to craft a perfect hit anime series, with drama, humor, and action; but then he uses it to deconstruct those tropes, the tropes that comfort the kind of people that would jack off to the idea of their sister (to use one of your examples, Zeta). Hell, the beginning of the movie is Shinji, jacking off to Auska in a hospital bed! In this way, it actually presupposed Takashi Murakami's whole "Superflat" concept. The movie itself was actually the ultimate completion of Anno's deconstruction, a "fuck you" to those who didn't like the original ending rather than an apology (a death threat from an unsatisfied fan is actually prominently shown in the latter half). The best description I've ever heard for the movie is that it's an otaku's deal with the devil, and that can really be extended to the whole series.

(I have to split what I wrote into two posts...and the sad part is that I could say more)

~Brett

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Part 2: Did I Mention That I'm Sorry for Posting So Much?

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 9th, 2007 07:38 am (UTC)
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So, that said, Evangelion changed anime forever, but everybody who continues to make anime seemingly missed the point. People seem to have thought either, "Yeah, anime should grow up," and then didn't have the talent or vision to do it properly or, "Man, that series was great until they fucked it up. Let's try to use that example of balancing emotion with comedy/action...but supplement depth with hot girls/guys." So, we're stuck with two extremes: complete fan service and shows that seem to think they're really fucking deep/serious/realistic/interesting when really they're just drab. I'd much rather see rocket trails than anything involving detectives. At least if a show is nonsensical and in space with robots and it's poorly written...it's nonsensical and in space with robots. Example: I have no nostalgia for Robotech at all (before my time), but--even with it being the old, though not awful, dub--I really liked the Macross portion when I borrowed it from a friend.

So, yeah. Sorry for going on for so long, I'm one of those people who's incapable of short posts. A good series of this century that I can think of is "Re:Cutie Honey", a 3-part OAV remake, commissioned by Gainax to I.G., so I'm not sure if Gainax actually did anything. I'm also partial to "Big O", which was started in 1999, but went on into the '00's and is going to have a third season soon. If you're counting movies, there's "Mind Game", and I heard that "Paprika" was good. "Dead Leaves" has fantastic animation and an intentionally ridiculous plot, but it gets old after the first viewing. "Alexander Senki" came out in America a few years ago under the title "Reign: the Conqueror", though I think it was actually made in '97. I definitely recommend it: it eschews every anime stereotype and is ultimately the story of how Alexander the Great mystically allowed for the creation of Euclidean Geometry. It was universally unsuccessful because the characters didn't have big eyes and the word "connotes" is used.

Oh and Kaze: if I remember correctly, the other half of that .GIF was from the Cowboy Bebop movie.

You guys would probably like the game Odin Sphere. Bye!

~Brett

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Re: Part 2: Did I Mention That I'm Sorry for Posting So Much?

from: kazegfr
date: Jul. 9th, 2007 05:53 pm (UTC)
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Wow Brett. Awesome post!

You're forcing me to take another look at something I have essentially written off mentally long ago. Evangelion. Your comment on the deconstruction of anime stereotypes one-by-one is probably the most succinct description of the series. However rather than removing these cliches to leave a deep and powerful anime, he essentially just blows them all away leaving a dire wasteland of confused, cluttered, and boring thoughts from characters that aren't interesting in the least. It's like blowing up the most tacky part of Shibuya because you hate it, and then pointing at the hell-blasted lunarscape left over and commenting how beautiful it is. It's not. It's different, but it is not beautiful.

I remember Maze when it came out, and I think my relatively DBZ addled brain thought it was a decent show. I'm sure exposure to it now would make me vomit.

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Re: Part 2: Did I Mention That I'm Sorry for Posting So Much?

from: infernarl
date: Jul. 9th, 2007 10:41 pm (UTC)
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Odin Sphere ::seconded::

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Re: Part 2: Did I Mention That I'm Sorry for Posting So Much?

from: signofzeta
date: Jul. 10th, 2007 10:28 pm (UTC)
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I actually started downloading the new Cutie Honey the other day. We'll see how it goes. I sort of forgot about Big O. Its not as amazing as it could be. Its three times as long as Giant Robo, and half as good. Its OK though. I hate Reign: the Conqueror...maybe as much as Eva.

One thing from that 90s that I forgot to mention that is great is Kenji's Spring, which was sold in the US as Spring and Chaos. Its requires...background...to understand, but its completely amazing.

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from: anonymous
date: Jul. 9th, 2007 10:38 pm (UTC)
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Naruto bites a fight scene from the Bebop movie.

http://www.basugasubakuhatsu.com/blog/2006/04/19/naruto-vs-cowboy-bebop-blatant-anime-plagiarism/

--Tom

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from: kazegfr
date: Jul. 11th, 2007 04:40 pm (UTC)
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Whoa a domain made off the word play of Osaka from Azumanga Daioh...crazytown.

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from: anonymous
date: Jul. 10th, 2007 06:21 pm (UTC)
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I also LOL'ed at Zeta's comment about how everyone just listens to the music from ten years ago. Around here that's definitely true, people my age only listen to "classic rock."

--Tom

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from: signofzeta
date: Jul. 10th, 2007 10:24 pm (UTC)
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Classic rock better be a hell of a lot older than a decade if its going to be called classic. Ten years ago was Oasis and Blues Traveler and shit like that.

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from: anonymous
date: Jul. 11th, 2007 02:44 pm (UTC)
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Whoops, I meant twenty. I think you said twenty years ago. Around here it's either country music, or hair metal. Iowa has the rural hunter/farmer demographic combined with the "wish they were as cool as Illinois but won't admit it" demographic.

--Tom

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from: kazegfr
date: Jul. 11th, 2007 04:41 pm (UTC)
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Illinois: The Crown Jewel of the MidWest.

It's like winning first place in special olympics for states.

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Glad you guys are back...

from: spotanime
date: Jul. 17th, 2007 09:49 am (UTC)
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...and in perfect form!

That discussion about anime series ending badly spurs a lot of discussion, too much to post here. It warrants its own podcast. I 99% agree anime series suck today, but I blame it on the Japanese they cannot spin a good story to completion. I think they all sit around a table and say, "okay, so how do we totally fuck this story up?" But I'd really have to strech hard to think of an anime series that ended sufficiently.

About sci-fi anime: ever check out Planetes? Good space drama played straight, no harems or giant robots. But you are right, most of my anime purchases worth keeping are pre-2000.

Nice to have you guys back. Awesome return to form!

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Re: Glad you guys are back...

from: kazegfr
date: Jul. 18th, 2007 04:07 am (UTC)
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Yeah I was "really" feeling this ep as we got into it.

This is one of the ones I'm proud of.

I just wish Zeta would remember to name the fucking ep whatever we decide it should be named during the podcast.

This ep should be "Godzilla in Fast Forward".

Anyway I've got some interesting hardware to discuss next ep when Zeta gets back.

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Re: Glad you guys are back...

from: kazegfr
date: Aug. 2nd, 2007 02:33 pm (UTC)
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Man Zeta needs to get back as I have been doing lots of stuff, and I'm not sure I'll be able to remember it all when we record again! I promise a content-rich next episode from me.

Also he is taking too long with his "gaiden stuff".

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Re: Glad you guys are back...

from: kazegfr
date: Aug. 24th, 2007 03:47 pm (UTC)
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Update for what is going on....

1. Connection has went crazy and keeps breaking our recording sessions.
2. Skype upgrade apparently destroyed our audio quality. Working on solution.
3. Simply forgotten?
4. Zeta needed a haircut.
5. Massive storm wiped out power for 14 hours at my place.
6. Power is back but internet is down.

Attempting to record again this weekend.
Wish us luck!!

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Useless comments

from: ryochan7
date: Aug. 25th, 2007 09:32 pm (UTC)
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1) Someone needs to make UpLinkOS even it goes the way of LainOS.

2) I usually tend to remember composers of anime soundtracks and nobody else in the production of an anime.

3) Lolicon Paradise FTW

4) Great episode

That's it.

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Re: Useless comments

from: kazegfr
date: Aug. 28th, 2007 03:49 pm (UTC)
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Glad you liked it.

The next SUPER EP is recorded and in post production.

May your eyes not dry out from your ever-constant staring at the screen waiting for updates.

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